Rich Franklin is a UFC Champion that pursued a fighting career in Mixed Martial Arts after being a high school Math teacher for 4 years. Since winning the UFC Champion title, he has taken his skills from MMA and applied them to business ventures and partnerships. He has regular speaking engagements in the motivational and health/fitness space and has most recently spoken at Tedx. Rich is also Vice President of the ONE Championship organization that seeks to expand MMA in Asia.
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- What it means to keep core values at the center of your business
- Why consistency is the key to growing your business
- The one mentality you need to accomplish your nutrition (and business) goals
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Tim: Every once in a while, we like to shake things up here at Conversion Cast. Today you’re not going to get a single tactic along with the metrics to back it up. Instead you’re going to get some really amazing insights in how to use your brand to seek out new opportunities for growth, what separates the person who is number one from being just among those on top and much more.
Today’s guest is mixed martial arts super star Rich Ace Franklin. For those who don’t know, MMA is a highly skilled sport involving two fighters in a ring or a cage attempting to defeat their opponent using a combination of various martial arts including boxing, jujitsu, karate etc., etc., etc., the UFC is the number one MMA organization here in the States and Rich has been a champion of the UFC. But he’s not here because of that, he’s here because he has been able to take the skills required to become the top guy in MMA, to build businesses and create business partnerships in a related space, and he’s had massive success doing so.
Rich’s story is incredibly unique and full of awesome insights that any marketer or entrepreneur can use. Once again, I know it’s not a single measurable tactic but I found it super interesting so I had to share it with you. In case you’re desperately seeking some fantastic marketing tactics you can implement right away, you should just join me for this Thursday’s free live LeadPages webinar, called 4 Steps To Quickly Grow Your E-Mail List Without Spending All Of Your Time On Marketing. I’ll be answering your questions, discussing the tactics we’ve used here at LeadPages to grow to 35,000 paying customers and over a 150,000 email subscribers and just generally having an awesome time.
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I’m Tim Page, the conversion educator here at LeadPages and this is Conversion Cast.
Hey Rich, thanks so much for coming on Conversion Cast.
Rich: Pleasure to be here man, I’m really excited.
Tim: Awesome, yeah, me too! Happy to have you here and you know, we’re going to talk about some different stuff. I know that people that listen to this show are used to hearing, you know here is a marketing tactic that you can implement. But this is going to be different because you’ve been able to do something, get into a field that is pretty difficult to get into at least at the top level. You’ve been able to kind of take that and really turn it into, not just a one sided, really narrow focused career, but really expand it into a lot of other businesses.
So, we’re going to dive in to a little bit about that, but before we do, I think it’ll be interesting to hear, a lot of people you know, don’t know that maybe–or maybe don’t know that you were a math teacher first and then you transitioned into MMA, so, how in the world did that work out?
Rich: I grew up Cincinnati, Ohio. I grew up, just around and outside the city of Cincinnati. My whole life, played football from the time I was in the third grade ’til the time I graduated amongst other sports, but that was probably my first love. Like, I wanted nothing more than to play college and professional sports. Professional football, but, it wasn’t in the cards for me. I didn’t have the God given talent that I needed in order to do something like that. I wasn’t very big in high school, I wasn’t that fast relatively speaking, I’m not football player fast, and just strong enough, everything… size, all the stuff I needed. I was a decent player but just didn’t have those natural tools that you need.
So, I got into MMA when I went to college, I went to the University of Cincinnati to study education. So it wasn’t that I got into MMA. I got into traditional martial arts training was what happened, I started doing a traditional karate. But, you know, I saw some MMA competitions, I saw the first couple UFC’s here and around that time frame, cause that was the time I gradated and I became a fan of that sport.
It’s like little by little I went from training just traditional karate to doing other martial arts as well, and this is just a hobby of mine. I was doing it–like in my mind I was thinking, if I were to get a scuffle on the street I’d better be able to take care of myself.
Rich: So one thing led to another. I was doing all these martial arts and I’m the kind of person that if I get into something, like I jump in full board. There is no like ‘well let me just dabble a little bit’. So, I was the guy in college who set my entire college career I would go to campus, and take my classes and if I didn’t have study groups on the backend, I was high tailing off school campus and heading straight to the gym to do some training. and I did that the whole time.
So when I graduated–about the time I graduated, I took my first fight and it was just a friend kind of “hey let’s do this. We train all the time, let’s see how good we are”. So like okay, you know what, I’ll give it a shot and did a little local amateur show here and two things happened. One, I realized I had a talent for this and two I was bit by a bug and it wasn’t going away, I got the hunger for it.
But at no point did I really ever think that this would be a professional–like a full time profession for me. I was graduating from school, started working as a teacher, taught high school for four years. It was during the beginning of my fourth year that I really thought, what was happening at the time, like one fight was leading to another, leading to another. This was a point in time when MMA in the States was not really a widely accepted sport.
Rich: It was before the cusp of the break out. In my fourth year of teaching, I felt like it will be really cool to just try to pursue this full time and I honestly thought that this was like a hare brained idea, I mean people [laughter] don’t do these kinds of things in life. I mean as a teacher I would sit there and tell my kids like “listen, pursue your dreams and don’t let anybody tell you, you can’t do anything like, I preach this stuff, but [[0:06:00]] [indiscernible] preach the things that they’re really not doing themselves.
Rich: So my fourth year of teaching, I thought “you know what, I’m going to take some fights this year, try to position myself into getting into the top competition of the game which was the UFC here in the States and see what I can do. So I took some fights that year that kind of got–people started turning their heads like hey, who is this kid from Cincinnati? And so I made that my last year of teaching.
Tim: Yeah, absolutely. And it’s not, you know, for anybody who’s not familiar, I gave a little intro in the beginning but this wasn’t some small career. It’s not like you went in there, you did a few fights, you know, you were on a few cards. I mean you had a very successful career, you’ve been the champ, you’ve defeated other really amazing fighters. And I think the thing that is really a big tie-in here is that, this is something that, to be a successful MMA fighter, beyond just, like you mentioned the God given talent, you had to put everything into this. You had to work, you had to learn, you had to train with the best of the best constantly. And what would you say have been kind of the key skills or the key tenets that allowed you to become as successful as you have?
Rich: It’s so crazy, we’re talking about this because I was just at a fitness convention, FitCon in Utah, a couple of days ago and I actually did a little 10 to 15-minute talk on this and about what it is–basically, the point of my talk was that there’s 7 billion people on this planet. 7 billion people on the planet and there can only be one champion at the time. And, what if I held that title, so what makes me 1 in 7 billion? Like what differentiates me from everybody else.
You could talk about things like work ethic, you know. I train really hard, I’m very talented but you know what, there are so many other fighters out there that are the same. There are guys out there that train just as hard as I do and there are guys out there that are probably more talented than me. And I grew up in a family where work ethic, your value was measured by your work ethic. My mom–single mom who raised a couple boys and worked in several jobs just to make ends meet and my dad, kind of guy that went back to school in his mid 40’s to earn a bachelor’s degree. And that’s really difficult to do late in life, so I was taught a lot about work ethic.
The one thing that I learned that really differentiates a lot of people is that, some people, they’re able to work hard but then eventually they break. You know, it’s like some guys will come into work a day or two, work really hard and then it’s like they get kind of lazy, and then they come back in and they work hard a couple of days, then they get kind of lazy. Like in my sport for example, you have a couple days of training really hard and then suddenly it’s like, man my body’s beat down and there’s a difference between listening to your body and thinking that I have a few days of hard training, I’ve earned myself a reward. I should be able to relax a little bit and then taking a day off.
The one thing I learned that to be good at something, to be at the top level of something like you can’t just be talented and you can’t just train hard and all those kinds of things. You have to consistent in everything that you do. You have to be the guy who’s willing to sacrifice like, hey there’s a family part of this we can have a cook out and I’m going to be the guy that shows up with my lunch bag so that I maintain my nutritional program rather than eating hamburgers and hotdogs that I would rather eat, but shouldn’t, because of my profession.
I am the guy who skipped out of partying on the weekends the whole time that I was in college and living in the dorm and having that kind of Hollywood style college campus life in order to be training every single day. I’m the guy who spends time watching film at night when everybody else would rather just say “hey, you know I’m tired, let’s do it tomorrow.”
And that’s one of the things that made different is that I was consistent. I was consistent throughout my career, like consistent in all the training that I did and all those aspects of my career. But even at that point, like there are other guys that they’re consistent all the same and I think that what really makes a champion, like the 1 in 7 billion, rather than being rather than being a part of a group of 10 in 7 billion. What separates you from Olympic gold to Olympic silver type of thing is that within your consistency, you learn to be inconsistent.
What I mean by that, it’s kind of a tricky concept to understand but you can have like–you take like a pitcher, [[0:10:25]] [indiscernible] pitcher. He can go in and every single day h can be consistent in his training, he can work hard and he can practice his pitching, he can practice all those stuff, but he has to learn to inconsistent in the game. he has to learn how to throw the curve ball when the batter isn’t expecting it. Because if–it doesn’t matter if he can throw 105 fastball, if that’s the only ball he is throwing down the plate, every single time, somebody’s eventually going to be able to hit that 105 miler fast ball. So he has to learn how to paint the corners of the plate when it’s necessary to throw off his competition.
And I think that that is inconsistency within your consistency that makes–separates number 1 form number 2 oftentimes.
Tim: Yeah, I totally agree. It really does–it applies as well in business and in marketing. You know, whether you’re trying to grow your email list, whether you’re trying to, you know engage an audience on a different level. It really does come down to, you know you follow along the proven path, you do the things that you know are going to get great results and then you have to be able to kind of see where the path is going and see where it’ important for you to veer off the path and do something a little bit different and you know kind of get ahead of the curve.
We talk about this a lot because we focused a lot on in terms of marketing, email list building. We focused a lot on going mobile and everybody’s got cell phones and more people are using their phones to access the internet and so collecting leads via text message is kind of a way to go, and so, absolutely that’s great lesson that applies to this.
What I’ve been really fascinated by is you use those same skills that you’ve absolutely, you know used to dominate in MMA and you’ve created these connections, you’ve created these businesses, these products, these companies outside of MMA or you know, within the realm of MMA but not particularly fighting. Can you share with us a little bit about what you’ve been up to outside of MMA or your fighting career?
Rich: Well absolutely, in comment, like and you’re right about marketing. One of the things that has made me successful as a fighter post career is that I’ve always treated by fight career. I’m not one of those guys to say I’ll fight anybody, anytime, anywhere. I would probably fight anybody, anytime, anywhere but, you really have to approach your fight career as a business and you have to take fights that make sense, that are intelligent. You know we have the–like the Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather fight is you know–something like that. Like that fight took forever to put together.
Rich: And I think the timing was right for it so that these guys made the kind of paydays that they made for example. Now whether that was all preplanned or whatever, just happened to be because it’s a big fight anyway, it doesn’t matter but you have to think that way as a fighter. So as I look at the things that I’m into for example, I’m a motivational, kind of health and fitness person and there’s some other things as well but those are like the core pieces of my brand. If you want to consider Rich Franklin a brand, the core pieces that brand are my fighting, my fitness and motivation, my health and nutrition aspects of my life.
So if I’m going to do things and expand my brand, I have to do things that are consistent within that–I guess those different aspects of business. It wouldn’t make sense for me to all of a sudden attach myself to like, to pursue something like a cola product, because I don’t drink soda or something like that.
So in my post–in my career like the main thing I did is it’s difficult to just jump from one industry to another. I opened up a food cafe out in L.A a couple of years ago, I had fun doing it, myself and a business partner. Ran that for a–we opened it up–I don’t know, we had the business for maybe about a year and a half or something like that and the I just realized running a food cafe, even though it was all abbot this healthy lifestyle and juicing and this organic different dishes that we have and stuff like that, I just–I thought like, running a restaurant is not something that I’m passionate about. And running a restaurant is not the same. Like I thought that if I open this healthy food restaurant I will be educating and helping people, and that wasn’t it.
I mean how you [[0:14:40]] [indiscernible] once you get into a brick and mortar business you’re just working from sun up to sun down every day.
Rich: And so I ended up selling my café, but at least that was consistent with my brand within the nutrition aspect of my brand. Part of the reason why I sold that cafe is because I ended up taking a job for an organization called One Championship, which is Asia’s largest MMA promotion. We’re based out of Singapore and we do MMA shows basically all over Asia. All over Southeast Asia up into China. We actually had a show in Dubai last year, but–it’s a multitude of countries some frequently back and forth, in and out of the country, for something like that.
When you’re a sports athlete or a celebrity or something like that, I use the word celebrity for somebody like me very loosely at all, but when you’re a sports athlete or something, we have a lot of people that come to you like “hey Rich, we would love for you to work with this, hey Rich we would love for you to work with that” and like yeah yeah yeah maybe.
But I ran into this company American Biotech Labs and they have a product that they were–they make several products that are silver based. And when I ran into these guys, they were talking about how—they’re telling me about silver and all its anti-bacterial properties this and that. They were developing at the time an ointment gel that was based like a topical gel that you could put on that has been shown to be very very effective clinically against things like ring worm, staph and MRSA and VRE all–like a bunch of different bacteria’s and fungi.
So I got to talk to this company and I said “you know what, I work as a VP for One Championship. I’m overseas, part of what I do for that company is travelling to these gyms in different countries and sometimes I’m in a gym and grappling on these mats and he kind of looked at the mat and there’s like, man this is suspect. Like I wonder if this mat has ever been cleaned. Oftentimes and in the south pacific, it’s very humid there and it’s just a place where bacteria can just completely grow.
So, this product was really eye catching to me and so, I started working with this company and basically this brand Armor Gel has kind of become, partially my brand basically. This gel has been designed primarily for like small cuts, minor cuts and lacerations and then in first and second-degree burns, you can use it on. Using the product–I’ve been able to use this product for so many different things and so…
In doing this, like travelling overseas, I have this product, and it’s a product I actually use. So one of the things that I’ve always done with myself is that I stay consistent with these things like you know I opened a cafe that was all about health and nutrition, I attached myself to this Armor Gel product that is all about–it’s a holistic way of basically healing myself, this stuff is as effective in clinical trials, as effective as a triple antibiotic ointment but it’s a nontoxic ointment that has no drugs, no pharmaceuticals in it. So, it’s a holistic way for me to heal myself without taking in pharmaceuticals and stuff like that.
So all these decisions I’ve made to do things and work with had all stayed consistent with my brand and it’s very important because when you try to market yourself on in today’s modern world, you’re marketing yourself to social media primarily, things like Facebook and Twitter, what not. If you try to market something that is not consistent with your brand then, call it your fan or your consumers or whatever you want to call them that are following you, it just doesn’t make sense to them and it’s not going to translate well and you’ll never have good results from it. So, this is all about staying true to yourself.
Tim: Yeah, I think it’s very interesting that you not only focus on your brand and do things that are in line with what you’re doing, but you also, in a way like you found that there was a problem that you had. You realized that there was a solution into it and you will line yourself with that solution and it tied in with the other things that you were doing. I mean as a VP of One Championship, you know, you were out travelling, you were grappling, you were experiencing that and you put that together and said I’ve got this, I can do armor gel and they both make sense together. Was that a planned strategy?
Rich: Yeah, absolutely. Because early in my career, you have products that come to you and naturally like any athlete I mean they represent a ton of products. I just mentioned Pacquiao and Mayweather and I remember seeing a couple years ago… I remeber seeing a commercial with Manny Pacquiao for Hennessey. I just remember standing there and watched that thinking like one, I’m like does that man even drink Hennessey? Like does he really even drink that? Maybe he does, maybe he drinks like a fish when he’s not training. More power to him, that’s–if he can maintain a championship level like that and shut things down that’s… But to me when I sat and saw that commercial I thought like, wow I can’t believe that he would rep a product like that.
So for me, when I’ve had many people approach me, and what ends up happening is you get a lot like a lot of like supplement companies for your example.
Rich: Sport supplement companies, and it’s just things that I won’t use. For example, I don’t use protein powders that are made with artificial sweeteners and so it’s difficult for me to just have my photo on a can of protein that has all these ingredients in it that I know that I won’t use and therefore I don’t even bother using that protein just to get the paycheck from that company. So, I’ve tried to stay consistent that way and it’s really paid off for me, really paid off.
Tim: Yeah, that’s kind of the comment I was going to make is probably because of that, you’ve been able to be so enthusiastic and so passionate and that probably comes through in the way that you market and promote the stuff that you’re getting behind.
Rich: Absolutely. And what else it does is it–when you, for example when you get something like Armor Gel, it has to tie in to the other things that you do. Like this is a gel for cuts and lacerations and burns and what not. And so, it makes sense for me as fighter but then, also it kinda ties into–as I was just sitting here thinking, this idea popped on my mind but I thought, I should have our cut man using these things, like a fighter gets cut in the fight like you can throw this stuff on him in the middle of battle and not to worry about him getting into any kind of serious infection or anything.
Rich: Like that. Like staph from the mats or anything and so–that just popped into my head right now as we’re sitting here talking. So it’s constantly thinking about how you can take the things that you’re doing and link all that stuff together. Like constantly just linking that stuff together so that your chain becomes circular rather than linear, I guess.
Tim: Yeah, that’s a great point. And I noticed that along with these things, you’ve also–you know you’ve had a great TEDx Talk, which is fantastic.
Rich: Thank you.
Tim: You’re welcome. And it’s gained a lot of attention. How has that kind of affected–I guess the way that you conduct your business or kind of maybe your intentions going forward?
Rich: Well, I’ll tell you, aside from business, the TEDx Talk for me, that was probably the first truly prepared talk I’ve ever given in my life. You know. I get asked often to speak in front of people and I used to absolutely hate, hate, hate public speaking. When I talk, when I speak publicly, I still get nervous when I walk on stage and I don’t know if that ever will go away but, in preparing that talk, it forced me to prepare something where I had a given timeframe. I had to like really nail that timeframe and I had obviously like cues with my slides and all that kind of stuff to move me in the right direction. I can’t just get up there and babble for 10 or 15 minutes. Like if somebody asks me to come speak to their junior high wrestling team about, you know, motivation–like motivating speech like it it’d easy to just talk for 10 to 15 minutes with kids about just being casual, but when you’re doing something that’s prepared it’s a bigger deal.
Once again, that started a different aspect the things that I do, you know I’m involved… constantly like, something comes to me like okay how can I make this consistent with my brand and so, motivational public speaking and stuff like that. So, you know I’ spoke at this fitness convention, I spoke with the TEDx Talk and the One Championship uses me overseas all the time to speak to a bunch of different companies. I spoke to Fox over there; I spoke to DuPont when I was in the Philippines one time. And you basically deliver a message that’s consistent with your brand.
I mean when I’m out there, I’m basically talking about work ethic and all those things and all, and I’ll tie it into like, things like nutrition and stuff like that as well because those are the things that my brand is about. But it’s like you can really really get a measure for example of somebody’s work ethic based on what their nutrition is like. Because nutrition is one of those things that you can frequently like, you come home from work in the evening and it’s like (a) you could spend time cooking a very nutritious meal for yourself or (b)., throw into the microwave some prepackaged dinner for you know, for 5 minutes and you’re good to go.
So, it’s like I’ve been working all day, I’m just going to throw this thing in and that’s a crack in your work ethic and in your consistency and stuff like that. So, with my public speaking, Like it’s just one o of those things where I’ve been able to once again just keep all that stuff consistent with my brand.
And that, the public speaking being an athlete, public speaking it can tie you into like into the corporate world. And in a way that you otherwise wouldn’t really be relevant. like, what relevance do I have talking into a company like Coca-Cola if I don’t use Coca-Cola on a daily basis. But I can speak to their employees about work ethic and about performing like a champion and all that kind of stuff and they can apply that to their daily work lives and so that’s how I can basically tie in these different aspects of my life.
Tim: So, it’s an interesting way to approach a different vertical that you would normally not necessarily associate with. But you get an opportunity now to speak to that audience without damaging the brand that you’ve built.
Rich: Absolutely, absolutely.
Tim: Yeah, I love that. That’s really cool. And I guess we’ll close this out here but I guess the last thing not necessarily about marketing but you know a lot of marketers and entrepreneurs and business owners are pretty crazy swamped for time and you know–I know firsthand the effects that training and nutrition can have on being able to build a successful career. So can you give us just a couple of tips on, how to be able to eat well in a way that gives us energy and keeps us going throughout the day?
Rich: Yeah, absolutely. Let me just back up one step and say this. People come to me oftentimes, I have so many people say hey look I want to get in a better shape. Especially young, like young people and they think it’s like if you want to get in a better shape everybody knows you have to eat good food.
Rich: Like you can’t just eat junk. But when you think again in better shape like, I’m going to go to the gym and get bigger. I’m going to go to the gym and get better shape and it’s okay to say I’m going to go the gym and I always tell people you can go the gym to get in better shape. But I tell people, look, you know even training for a fight, I typically like, I work out maybe twice a day, if you want to include my morning run as a third workout fine, I work out three times a day.
But as an athlete, I eat six times a day. And so that means may nutrition is twice as important as the work that I do. And this can apply to you if you work in a corporate world, you go to work all day long and you’re working, and I always tell people, I said look, you have to treat yourself like–like I treat my body like a formula 1 race car, like I expect my body to perform like a formula 1 race car. My body goes out and when it’s time for the race to begin, be in training or whatever it is I’m doing. I expect my body to perform at a top level, at a higher level that everybody else’s body. That’s essentially what a racecar driver does.
But when I’m done racing, I have to take that car and I got to put it in the garage and I have to maintenance that car. And if I don’t spend time maintenance that car, would be it with my sleep, my nutrition, or whatever it is that I’m going to do, then that car would not perform at top level.
So what people often do in this world is they want to drive–if they think of themselves as a formula 1 race car and they want to run their body like a formula 1 race car at these top levels, but then they want to treat their car or they want to treat their body like a Honda Accord and drive it every single day. It’s like, look that’s not the way things work and you really have to treat your body with this respect.
So, when I’m giving people nutritional advice because are like you know, just give me a new diet. Like, if somebody’s think they’re willing to just do a new diet, they always want this kind of complete overhaul. And we have this idea in our society where people they want to run before they can walk really. So I always tell people like I just started working with my cousin a couple of weeks ago, I want a new nutrition plan, set me up on a new nutrition plan
I’m like, look if I try to overhaul you, you got three kids running around your house and this is a whole different lifestyle, your husband’s not doing this either, you’re going to fail. So the first thing I said that person, you know what start drinking a gallon of water a day. One whole gallon of clear water a day, and then anything else you want to drink on top of that, that’s fine. If you want to drink soda, whatever. Like, let’s just worry about getting the water in you and let’s not alter your nutrition any other way. Do that for two weeks and then get back to me.
That’s typically the first thing I tell somebody because if most people if they’re not used to drinking water, and all of a sudden you put a gallon of water in yourself all day, you find that you’re very full all day long.
Tim: And it’s like, when you want to pick up a can of soda and you’re sitting there thinking like crap I have this much more in my gallon left and if I drink this soda, okay I’m going to put this soda down so that I make sure I get in all my water for the day. So, that’s just one thing like getting people use to drinking water because I always tell people that you can go a couple of weeks without food and the body will survive. But a couple days without water and you’re in big big trouble.
So that’s how important water is to you and that’s usually one of the foundational principles I have when somebody asks me for nutritional advice. Honestly, Tim, we could go all day long [absolutely] on nutrition if you wanted to. So I can keep getting more complex from there, but I know that we’re on a limited time schedule.
Tim: Yeah, that’s a great start. I would definitely agree with that. It’s one of those things that you know, it makes it easy and when you’re hydrated I find that your hunger–you don’t get those hunger pangs as much.
Rich: It’s not only that but your body knows how to use its nutrients. It can better utilize the food that you do eat with proper hydration. Without hydration, you’ll have these vitamins and minerals sitting in your system with nothing to do because you don’t have the proper things there to take them where they need to go.
Tim: Awesome. Well, this has been great. I think that this–there’s some amazing parallels here and some great pearls of wisdom. So thank you so much for coming on and sharing some of these tips with us here at Conversion Cast.
Rich: Hey, it’s a pleasure. Good conversation and all. I always like an interview that’s good conversation, so thanks for having me on.
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